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		<title>By: OpenOffice, LibreOffice and the Scarcity Fallacy</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-19994</link>
		<dc:creator>OpenOffice, LibreOffice and the Scarcity Fallacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Let&#8217;s stop fighting over that little 5% box.  Instead, let&#8217;s look toward how we restore the choice and diversity that we had in this market segment back in 1990, but do it better.  We have something now we [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tibetus</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-19641</link>
		<dc:creator>tibetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rob, I have official link only in russian lahguage
http://webportalsrv.gost.ru/portal/UVED_2007st.nsf/438c8c3c9e06dc87c32573a100549873/c4b660ff237e33ea432578020033edf5?OpenDocument

Format ODF approved as a national standard of the Russian Federation from June 1, 2011
(approximate translation notice)
Notice for acceptance


Designation of the document ISO / IEC 26300-2010
Name of the document (in Russian) Information technology. Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) v1.0
Name of the document (in English) Information technology. Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) v1.0
The Technical Committee of the Russian Federation 22 - Information Technology
Interstate TC
Information about registering 800-st Joined 12/21/2010
Date of entry into force of the document 01/06/2011
Introduced (for the first time, instead, to replace in part) for the first time
Relationship with other ND Identical ISO / IEC 26300:2006
Scope This document describes the XML-schema for office applications and its semantics. A scheme covers office documents including text documents, spreadsheets, charts and graphical documents like drawings and presentations, but not limited to these types of documents.
A scheme provides a high level of informativeness required to edit documents. It describes the structure of XML for office documents, and simply changed by using XSLT or similar tools based on XML

Also news-link from ewdn
  http://www.ewdn.com/2011/06/03/opendocuments-become-standard-in-russia/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rob, I have official link only in russian lahguage<br />
<a href="http://webportalsrv.gost.ru/portal/UVED_2007st.nsf/438c8c3c9e06dc87c32573a100549873/c4b660ff237e33ea432578020033edf5?OpenDocument" rel="nofollow">http://webportalsrv.gost.ru/portal/UVED_2007st.nsf/438c8c3c9e06dc87c32573a100549873/c4b660ff237e33ea432578020033edf5?OpenDocument</a></p>
<p>Format ODF approved as a national standard of the Russian Federation from June 1, 2011<br />
(approximate translation notice)<br />
Notice for acceptance</p>
<p>Designation of the document ISO / IEC 26300-2010<br />
Name of the document (in Russian) Information technology. Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) v1.0<br />
Name of the document (in English) Information technology. Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) v1.0<br />
The Technical Committee of the Russian Federation 22 &#8211; Information Technology<br />
Interstate TC<br />
Information about registering 800-st Joined 12/21/2010<br />
Date of entry into force of the document 01/06/2011<br />
Introduced (for the first time, instead, to replace in part) for the first time<br />
Relationship with other ND Identical ISO / IEC 26300:2006<br />
Scope This document describes the XML-schema for office applications and its semantics. A scheme covers office documents including text documents, spreadsheets, charts and graphical documents like drawings and presentations, but not limited to these types of documents.<br />
A scheme provides a high level of informativeness required to edit documents. It describes the structure of XML for office documents, and simply changed by using XSLT or similar tools based on XML</p>
<p>Also news-link from ewdn<br />
  <a href="http://www.ewdn.com/2011/06/03/opendocuments-become-standard-in-russia/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ewdn.com/2011/06/03/opendocuments-become-standard-in-russia/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-19350</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tibetus, That is great news.  Is there a news story or something online that talks about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tibetus, That is great news.  Is there a news story or something online that talks about this?</p>
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		<title>By: tibetus</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-19293</link>
		<dc:creator>tibetus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ODF format has become the national standard in Russia only 01.06.2011 :)</description>
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		<title>By: Olivier M.</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3442</link>
		<dc:creator>Olivier M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 12:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ami Pro, which became Lotus Word Pro, is also missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ami Pro, which became Lotus Word Pro, is also missing.</p>
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		<title>By: Uwe Brauer</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3371</link>
		<dc:creator>Uwe Brauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you are mentioning text editors you should include also TeX/LaTeX a document preparation system, which produces documents which are not surpassed in their quality by anyword processor  today. 

In 1995, after the lost decade Lyx was started which is a sort of WYSIWYW program for Latex.
Today latex2rtf and oolatex allows you to produce documents in either rtf or ODF.

regards

Uwe Brauer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you are mentioning text editors you should include also TeX/LaTeX a document preparation system, which produces documents which are not surpassed in their quality by anyword processor  today. </p>
<p>In 1995, after the lost decade Lyx was started which is a sort of WYSIWYW program for Latex.<br />
Today latex2rtf and oolatex allows you to produce documents in either rtf or ODF.</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Uwe Brauer</p>
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		<title>By: Uwe Brauer</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3370</link>
		<dc:creator>Uwe Brauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ODF has clearly won: Nope but docx neither 
wishful thinking I must say from my own proper experience.
In my university I receive on a regular base reports, memos etc which are written in guess what,
MS Word, doc. I usually complain, and refer to the ODF, approved by ISO, with no result.

Just now out of frustration I tried out a ODF plugin for Word 2003, as provided by MS, Novel etc (it seems that the SUN ODF plugin is outdated please correct me if I am wrong).

# The installation needs its time and requires the original Word  installation disc :(
# Finally I opened a doc with a resonable amount of complex tables and saved it as ODF
# I opened that file with OO 3.2.

What a disappointment. The ODF export filter is (a little) worse than OO doc import filter!
Tables a slightly misplaced, their size distorted.

I would say without a reasonable converter, (plugin) the doc format will continue to dominate.

regards

Uwe Brauer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ODF has clearly won: Nope but docx neither<br />
wishful thinking I must say from my own proper experience.<br />
In my university I receive on a regular base reports, memos etc which are written in guess what,<br />
MS Word, doc. I usually complain, and refer to the ODF, approved by ISO, with no result.</p>
<p>Just now out of frustration I tried out a ODF plugin for Word 2003, as provided by MS, Novel etc (it seems that the SUN ODF plugin is outdated please correct me if I am wrong).</p>
<p># The installation needs its time and requires the original Word  installation disc :(<br />
# Finally I opened a doc with a resonable amount of complex tables and saved it as ODF<br />
# I opened that file with OO 3.2.</p>
<p>What a disappointment. The ODF export filter is (a little) worse than OO doc import filter!<br />
Tables a slightly misplaced, their size distorted.</p>
<p>I would say without a reasonable converter, (plugin) the doc format will continue to dominate.</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Uwe Brauer</p>
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		<title>By: Basil Fernie</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3344</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil Fernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remarkably absent from the list about 1983/4 is Framework, notable for its object-based design which endued it with enormous power and potential, also its sane user-interface design and consistency which I still sorely miss in mainstream packages. Although for many users it was primarily a word-processor, it was in fact a full integrated package covering WP, spreadsheets, database, communications, graphics, and various combinations of the above. Also integrated was FRED (FRame EDitor), an extensible programming language which allowed the development of software packages of almost unlimited complexity.

Developed from scratch over a period of a few months by Richard Carr and friends, Framework so impressed Ashton-Tate, who had been watching with a sceptical eye, that they put up venture capital to productize it and get it into the market place, and bought it from the owners a year earlier than planned. It was thus a stable-mate and, to some extent, competitor of MultiMate.

With the demise of A-T, Framework came into the hands of Novell who took it from version III to IV, then sold it (competing with dBase?) on to Borland who possibly found it competing with their Sprint spreadsheet, and withdrew it from the market. An independent developer, whose customers had invested a lot of money into the development of custom Framework-based packages, intervened on their behalf and the behalf of users world-wide, and obtained a court order obliging Borland to sell him the source and the rights to Framework. Although there are undoubtedly some untold stories from this period which would be meaningful to Mr Flottorp, suffice it to say that Framework is still commercially available, now at version X, still capable of outrageous accomplishments and still satisfying the requirements of a coterie of connossieur clients whose custom packages have been under revision and extension from the early days of Framework, the package that is too good to die.

For the true devotee, you can get a special Framework keyboard which - in addition to various programmable keys - has two columns of Function keys down the left-hand side of the board, where they belong whence they were displaced by the 102/103 key boards which must have been introduced to slow secretaries down to a pace that Windows could (sometimes) cope with, much like the QWERTY layout was introduced to stop typewriter keys from jamming too often in a sticky mess of bent arms an inch from the paper as typistes outran the capability of the machine in their haste to finish a document before hometime.

Also deserving a (less but still reasonably) honourable mention was Claris Works, which was quite widely distributed at one point, but then IIRC was sucked up by IBM for rebadging and packaging with OS/2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remarkably absent from the list about 1983/4 is Framework, notable for its object-based design which endued it with enormous power and potential, also its sane user-interface design and consistency which I still sorely miss in mainstream packages. Although for many users it was primarily a word-processor, it was in fact a full integrated package covering WP, spreadsheets, database, communications, graphics, and various combinations of the above. Also integrated was FRED (FRame EDitor), an extensible programming language which allowed the development of software packages of almost unlimited complexity.</p>
<p>Developed from scratch over a period of a few months by Richard Carr and friends, Framework so impressed Ashton-Tate, who had been watching with a sceptical eye, that they put up venture capital to productize it and get it into the market place, and bought it from the owners a year earlier than planned. It was thus a stable-mate and, to some extent, competitor of MultiMate.</p>
<p>With the demise of A-T, Framework came into the hands of Novell who took it from version III to IV, then sold it (competing with dBase?) on to Borland who possibly found it competing with their Sprint spreadsheet, and withdrew it from the market. An independent developer, whose customers had invested a lot of money into the development of custom Framework-based packages, intervened on their behalf and the behalf of users world-wide, and obtained a court order obliging Borland to sell him the source and the rights to Framework. Although there are undoubtedly some untold stories from this period which would be meaningful to Mr Flottorp, suffice it to say that Framework is still commercially available, now at version X, still capable of outrageous accomplishments and still satisfying the requirements of a coterie of connossieur clients whose custom packages have been under revision and extension from the early days of Framework, the package that is too good to die.</p>
<p>For the true devotee, you can get a special Framework keyboard which &#8211; in addition to various programmable keys &#8211; has two columns of Function keys down the left-hand side of the board, where they belong whence they were displaced by the 102/103 key boards which must have been introduced to slow secretaries down to a pace that Windows could (sometimes) cope with, much like the QWERTY layout was introduced to stop typewriter keys from jamming too often in a sticky mess of bent arms an inch from the paper as typistes outran the capability of the machine in their haste to finish a document before hometime.</p>
<p>Also deserving a (less but still reasonably) honourable mention was Claris Works, which was quite widely distributed at one point, but then IIRC was sucked up by IBM for rebadging and packaging with OS/2.</p>
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		<title>By: tarent.blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fünf Jahre ODF – Backgrounds zur Geschichte der Office-Standards</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3340</link>
		<dc:creator>tarent.blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Fünf Jahre ODF – Backgrounds zur Geschichte der Office-Standards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 06:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ODF Alliance sowie OASIS-Komitees in Sachen ODF, hat aus Anlass des Geburtstags einen umfangreichen Blog-Eintrag verfasst. Er befasst sich weniger mit der ODF-Entwicklung, sondern mehr mit der Geschichte von [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ODF Alliance sowie OASIS-Komitees in Sachen ODF, hat aus Anlass des Geburtstags einen umfangreichen Blog-Eintrag verfasst. Er befasst sich weniger mit der ODF-Entwicklung, sondern mehr mit der Geschichte von [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Knut H. Flottorp</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3339</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut H. Flottorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 00:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To &quot;Orchmid&quot;:  Most of the hacking programs used in the US to churn out scripture was not sellable in Europe because of NOTIS. 
TeX was Don Knuth&#039;s baby - so almost the same origin as XEROX PARC: Stanford.

On the PC-front, this lasted long after ND decided to close down (has it?) - by the sale of most of the &quot;text editors&quot; that you care to mention was looked on as a &quot;curiosity&quot; in (Northern) Europe. 

I wrote a thesis on a proportional spacing text editor and printer system, running CP/M in 1980. It was one of the first research reports where the typewriters were skipped, and used to proofread only.

In those days, the US did every trick possible, legal or unjust, regardless to stop anyone abroad. We were not allowed to sell 32 bit computers to other than NATO countries, and although some of us had worked and provided core technology to Intel, they denied us the right to emulate their instruction set. When typical benchmarks were 10 times better to 10% of the price, we still saw US contracts not being awarded for the silliest reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;Orchmid&#8221;:  Most of the hacking programs used in the US to churn out scripture was not sellable in Europe because of NOTIS.<br />
TeX was Don Knuth&#8217;s baby &#8211; so almost the same origin as XEROX PARC: Stanford.</p>
<p>On the PC-front, this lasted long after ND decided to close down (has it?) &#8211; by the sale of most of the &#8220;text editors&#8221; that you care to mention was looked on as a &#8220;curiosity&#8221; in (Northern) Europe. </p>
<p>I wrote a thesis on a proportional spacing text editor and printer system, running CP/M in 1980. It was one of the first research reports where the typewriters were skipped, and used to proofread only.</p>
<p>In those days, the US did every trick possible, legal or unjust, regardless to stop anyone abroad. We were not allowed to sell 32 bit computers to other than NATO countries, and although some of us had worked and provided core technology to Intel, they denied us the right to emulate their instruction set. When typical benchmarks were 10 times better to 10% of the price, we still saw US contracts not being awarded for the silliest reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut H. Flottorp</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3338</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut H. Flottorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 00:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not completely informed about the pioneers. In Norway there was a company named &quot;Norsk Data&quot; and they launched in 1982 the first WYSIG editor in NOTIS-WP.  Later this developed the SGML mark-up code, the HTML came out of this tin, and you can see the font-settings today in HTML being the same as in &quot;WP&quot; (1,2,3,4,5 etc) and several of the other &quot;strange&quot; tag values.

The Open Document Format is much older than 5 years, because it is part of ODMA (Open Document Management Architecture) that we worked on at ND. 

Jeremy Salter participated in the ODMA standardisations - so I would guess around 1986. NOTIS-WP was the general purpose text entry module of the &quot;NOTIS&quot; family. This had interface to &quot;DS&quot; - Document Storage and &quot;ID&quot; - mail. So, sent an email by storing it in the OutTray and pinning recipients to it.

The high end, dedicated typesetters of ND Comtec would take a WP document and typeset directly into the newspaper for publishing. This is described in numerous Seybold reports. There are still a number of functionality that NOTIS supported that no current system can do - such as changing language when you want to, or enter a number as a equation with or without fields. A popular macro was to make the system calculate e.g. pi over the weekend, and see how far it had come by Monday morning. You could also include WP as a &quot;executing object&quot; in workflow, and integrate with the &quot;DIALOG&quot; family of administrative applications and tools - such as Unique.  Another &quot;IR - information Repository was a 3rd party &quot;DS&quot; that could be used. The &quot;IR&quot; was searchable with &quot;SIFT&quot; and provided storage and fast retrieval in numerous European public offices. WP and the NOTIS modules were sold in the US. The most famous copy-cat is Microsoft&#039;s Access, that is a blueprint of NOTIS-QL - the database query and application building module.

One large customer to ND was CERN in Geneva. They worked with ND R&amp;D and developed high capacity computer links, and that included fibre in those days. So, the systems was made with transparent localisation - with &quot;COSMOS&quot;. ND also supplied the tcp/ip node machine for CERN and Northern Europe. This is the link then to the mark-up language we use on the Internet, and the industrial systems that inspired the initial developments. ND supplied their own OSI-based communication HW and software (&quot;XMSG&quot;) - and tcp/ip was a parallel development, but used by CERN. and large customers outside northern Europe. The F16 simulators, military multiprocessor clusters, Ariane launch system used XMSG - and not tcp/ip.

ND manufactured super-minicomputers and could not care less about developing a graphical user interface, unless they saw a way of making a fortune doing so. Storing documents meant selling more disks. To exchange and share as on the Internet was far, far away. But this is the link you do not have. 

ND NOTIS was in a paper by the European Commission presented as prototype for an ideal system archiecture in 1986 - and this included the ODMA initial standards for document storage, indexing and search. This was produced for the British Computing Society, End User Subgroup where the ND logos and system names where removed and replaced. Apart from that, it was a blueprint of the architecture and systems that was proposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not completely informed about the pioneers. In Norway there was a company named &#8220;Norsk Data&#8221; and they launched in 1982 the first WYSIG editor in NOTIS-WP.  Later this developed the SGML mark-up code, the HTML came out of this tin, and you can see the font-settings today in HTML being the same as in &#8220;WP&#8221; (1,2,3,4,5 etc) and several of the other &#8220;strange&#8221; tag values.</p>
<p>The Open Document Format is much older than 5 years, because it is part of ODMA (Open Document Management Architecture) that we worked on at ND. </p>
<p>Jeremy Salter participated in the ODMA standardisations &#8211; so I would guess around 1986. NOTIS-WP was the general purpose text entry module of the &#8220;NOTIS&#8221; family. This had interface to &#8220;DS&#8221; &#8211; Document Storage and &#8220;ID&#8221; &#8211; mail. So, sent an email by storing it in the OutTray and pinning recipients to it.</p>
<p>The high end, dedicated typesetters of ND Comtec would take a WP document and typeset directly into the newspaper for publishing. This is described in numerous Seybold reports. There are still a number of functionality that NOTIS supported that no current system can do &#8211; such as changing language when you want to, or enter a number as a equation with or without fields. A popular macro was to make the system calculate e.g. pi over the weekend, and see how far it had come by Monday morning. You could also include WP as a &#8220;executing object&#8221; in workflow, and integrate with the &#8220;DIALOG&#8221; family of administrative applications and tools &#8211; such as Unique.  Another &#8220;IR &#8211; information Repository was a 3rd party &#8220;DS&#8221; that could be used. The &#8220;IR&#8221; was searchable with &#8220;SIFT&#8221; and provided storage and fast retrieval in numerous European public offices. WP and the NOTIS modules were sold in the US. The most famous copy-cat is Microsoft&#8217;s Access, that is a blueprint of NOTIS-QL &#8211; the database query and application building module.</p>
<p>One large customer to ND was CERN in Geneva. They worked with ND R&amp;D and developed high capacity computer links, and that included fibre in those days. So, the systems was made with transparent localisation &#8211; with &#8220;COSMOS&#8221;. ND also supplied the tcp/ip node machine for CERN and Northern Europe. This is the link then to the mark-up language we use on the Internet, and the industrial systems that inspired the initial developments. ND supplied their own OSI-based communication HW and software (&#8220;XMSG&#8221;) &#8211; and tcp/ip was a parallel development, but used by CERN. and large customers outside northern Europe. The F16 simulators, military multiprocessor clusters, Ariane launch system used XMSG &#8211; and not tcp/ip.</p>
<p>ND manufactured super-minicomputers and could not care less about developing a graphical user interface, unless they saw a way of making a fortune doing so. Storing documents meant selling more disks. To exchange and share as on the Internet was far, far away. But this is the link you do not have. </p>
<p>ND NOTIS was in a paper by the European Commission presented as prototype for an ideal system archiecture in 1986 &#8211; and this included the ODMA initial standards for document storage, indexing and search. This was produced for the British Computing Society, End User Subgroup where the ND logos and system names where removed and replaced. Apart from that, it was a blueprint of the architecture and systems that was proposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Youngman</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3335</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Youngman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 19:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A word processor I remember is WordMarc Composer which ran on many minicomputers. I&#039;ve just googled for it and can&#039;t find much, but it was around in the early 80s. It was also known by at least one other name - I knew it as PrimeWord (as ported to Prime minicomputers). It might have had other names as well. (There was a ?swedish? wikipedia page about it?)

Cheers,
Wol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A word processor I remember is WordMarc Composer which ran on many minicomputers. I&#8217;ve just googled for it and can&#8217;t find much, but it was around in the early 80s. It was also known by at least one other name &#8211; I knew it as PrimeWord (as ported to Prime minicomputers). It might have had other names as well. (There was a ?swedish? wikipedia page about it?)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Wol</p>
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		<title>By: ODF 5 Anos &#171; O Futuro é a Liberdade</title>
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		<dc:creator>ODF 5 Anos &#171; O Futuro é a Liberdade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 11:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 01 de Maio de 2010 em http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 01 de Maio de 2010 em <a href="http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 10:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in 1987 I&#039;ve written my master&#039;s degree report using &quot;Chi Writer&quot;. It was very popular in Poland at this time because it was accompanied by a font editor, it was thus easy to create fonts with polish letters. It wa

There&#039;s a wikipedia article about it :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChiWriter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 1987 I&#8217;ve written my master&#8217;s degree report using &#8220;Chi Writer&#8221;. It was very popular in Poland at this time because it was accompanied by a font editor, it was thus easy to create fonts with polish letters. It wa</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a wikipedia article about it :<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChiWriter" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChiWriter</a></p>
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		<title>By: evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 10:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no mention of LaTeX ?</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/05/odf-5-years.html#comment-3331</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 02:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were two suites:

Lotus Symphony (the first one) - I used this in 1984 +
Framework - I used this 1986 - 1989 (about)

Both contained decent (for their time) word processors. Framework was very innovative and allowed inserting graphics, graphs and spreadsheets into common documents (using &quot;frames&quot;)

FWIW</description>
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<p>Lotus Symphony (the first one) &#8211; I used this in 1984 +<br />
Framework &#8211; I used this 1986 &#8211; 1989 (about)</p>
<p>Both contained decent (for their time) word processors. Framework was very innovative and allowed inserting graphics, graphs and spreadsheets into common documents (using &#8220;frames&#8221;)</p>
<p>FWIW</p>
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		<title>By: Zartan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zartan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 21:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One minor nitpick in second paragraph following your very nice timeline:  vi is not a line editor, it is a screen-oriented text editor.  (Vi&#039;s name is short for &quot;visual.&quot;)  Ex was vi&#039;s line editor predecessor, which itself was an EXtended version of the ed line editor.

Just to complicate things, vi includes an ex mode, so it can be a line editor if you really want that sort of thing.

Ed dates back to the earliest days of Unix.  Ex was an early project at Berkeley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One minor nitpick in second paragraph following your very nice timeline:  vi is not a line editor, it is a screen-oriented text editor.  (Vi&#8217;s name is short for &#8220;visual.&#8221;)  Ex was vi&#8217;s line editor predecessor, which itself was an EXtended version of the ed line editor.</p>
<p>Just to complicate things, vi includes an ex mode, so it can be a line editor if you really want that sort of thing.</p>
<p>Ed dates back to the earliest days of Unix.  Ex was an early project at Berkeley.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi</a></p>
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		<title>By: dave levitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave levitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 19:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was also a small market share word processor called DeScribe.

You could edit large, complex documents with it [including text flow across linked frames, with placement and formatting options similar to desktop publishing programs]. It was also an early example of multithreaded programming [threads for rendering in multiple windows, printing, continuous background versioning]. The developers wrote their own portability framework [OS/2 -&gt; Win32] allowing them to have a Win32 native word processor several months before Microsoft. They also had working object embedding / DDE for live documents years before other vendors.

What killed the product was the inability to import from later versions of word processors - they were relying on a third party library [from Xerox?] that went stale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was also a small market share word processor called DeScribe.</p>
<p>You could edit large, complex documents with it [including text flow across linked frames, with placement and formatting options similar to desktop publishing programs]. It was also an early example of multithreaded programming [threads for rendering in multiple windows, printing, continuous background versioning]. The developers wrote their own portability framework [OS/2 -&gt; Win32] allowing them to have a Win32 native word processor several months before Microsoft. They also had working object embedding / DDE for live documents years before other vendors.</p>
<p>What killed the product was the inability to import from later versions of word processors &#8211; they were relying on a third party library [from Xerox?] that went stale.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marchant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Marchant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 19:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was IBM Writer, which came bundled with OS/2 Warp 3 and 4.  I don&#039;t know if it was available before then.

Another one that I used a lot from about 1981 until 1995 or so was Atari Writer.  It ran on the Atari 400/800 systems and was shipped on a ROM cartridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was IBM Writer, which came bundled with OS/2 Warp 3 and 4.  I don&#8217;t know if it was available before then.</p>
<p>Another one that I used a lot from about 1981 until 1995 or so was Atari Writer.  It ran on the Atari 400/800 systems and was shipped on a ROM cartridge.</p>
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		<title>By: LM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 17:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vi is a text editor. Not a word processor.</description>
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