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	<title>Comments on: ODF enters the Semantic Web</title>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/odf-enters-semantic-web.html#comment-1255</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could give that a try.  I&#039;ve read that a rising fifth was the interval suggested by ancient authorities.  That would sure get some looks at an XML conference!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Classical Greek had long and short vowels, heavy and light syllables, a pitch accent as well as (presumably) a stress pattern.  How exactly this all worked together with pitch and stress patterns at the clause and sentence level is a matter of some speculation.  W. Sidney Allen&#039;s &quot;Vox Graeca: The Pronunciation of Classical Greek&quot; is a good survey of this broad field.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The essential thing to remember is that classical Greek was dead in Europe at the dawn of the Renaissance.  Outside of a few scholars in the shrinking Byzantine Empire, no one could read or pronounce it.  So when the study of classical Greek was revived, it took on a Byzantine accent, which since the 4th Century was a stress accent, not a pitch accent.  It also had a much smaller set of vowels sounds, much like modern Greek where everything ends up sounding like &quot;ee&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What we end up with today for Classical Greek pronunciation is a result of that reawakening, plus centuries of attempts at reforming the pronunciation of Greek (and Latin) by various scholars over the years, starting with Erasmus.  But we still have that Byzantine stress accent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could give that a try.  I&#8217;ve read that a rising fifth was the interval suggested by ancient authorities.  That would sure get some looks at an XML conference!</p>
<p>Classical Greek had long and short vowels, heavy and light syllables, a pitch accent as well as (presumably) a stress pattern.  How exactly this all worked together with pitch and stress patterns at the clause and sentence level is a matter of some speculation.  W. Sidney Allen&#8217;s &#8220;Vox Graeca: The Pronunciation of Classical Greek&#8221; is a good survey of this broad field.</p>
<p>The essential thing to remember is that classical Greek was dead in Europe at the dawn of the Renaissance.  Outside of a few scholars in the shrinking Byzantine Empire, no one could read or pronounce it.  So when the study of classical Greek was revived, it took on a Byzantine accent, which since the 4th Century was a stress accent, not a pitch accent.  It also had a much smaller set of vowels sounds, much like modern Greek where everything ends up sounding like &#8220;ee&#8221;.</p>
<p>What we end up with today for Classical Greek pronunciation is a result of that reawakening, plus centuries of attempts at reforming the pronunciation of Greek (and Latin) by various scholars over the years, starting with Erasmus.  But we still have that Byzantine stress accent.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/odf-enters-semantic-web.html#comment-1254</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading somewhere that the accent in Classical Greek was a musical, rather than a stress accent. So presumably the alpha would have a rising tone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading somewhere that the accent in Classical Greek was a musical, rather than a stress accent. So presumably the alpha would have a rising tone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/odf-enters-semantic-web.html#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to see that the pronunciation of the word seems to have taken precedence over the understanding of it.  As for the Brits, I love the way they pronounce words, especially aluminum (I have taken up that pronunciation myself).  There I go again getting off track.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am totally fascinated by this subject.  I have worked in a fair number of small businesses and larger institutions.  I have seen inconsistencies, poor design, make that extremely poor design and complete ignorance of meta data create many times the work it took to enter the data itself.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is sad that the understanding of this subject has not filtered down to people who could really use it.  Small businesses and small to medium institutions like community colleges spend a lot of time and money trying to manage their data using 19th century concepts on 21st century computers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to see that the pronunciation of the word seems to have taken precedence over the understanding of it.  As for the Brits, I love the way they pronounce words, especially aluminum (I have taken up that pronunciation myself).  There I go again getting off track.</p>
<p>I am totally fascinated by this subject.  I have worked in a fair number of small businesses and larger institutions.  I have seen inconsistencies, poor design, make that extremely poor design and complete ignorance of meta data create many times the work it took to enter the data itself.  </p>
<p>It is sad that the understanding of this subject has not filtered down to people who could really use it.  Small businesses and small to medium institutions like community colleges spend a lot of time and money trying to manage their data using 19th century concepts on 21st century computers.</p>
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		<title>By: Deepak</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/odf-enters-semantic-web.html#comment-1251</link>
		<dc:creator>Deepak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  In the bioinformatics world I come from, using textual analysis to try and identify relationships is a pretty big deal with approaches ranging from hiring armies of manual curators to NLP.  Standardized formats can only make our life easier going forward, especially if we can combine open standards with the kinds of vocabularies that biologists have developed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the meta part .. maybe it was someone from Australia or New Zealand.  I can see someone with an aussie accent sounding like they said meet&#039;-ah. I haven&#039;t heart any brits pronounce it that way either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  In the bioinformatics world I come from, using textual analysis to try and identify relationships is a pretty big deal with approaches ranging from hiring armies of manual curators to NLP.  Standardized formats can only make our life easier going forward, especially if we can combine open standards with the kinds of vocabularies that biologists have developed.</p>
<p>On the meta part .. maybe it was someone from Australia or New Zealand.  I can see someone with an aussie accent sounding like they said meet&#8217;-ah. I haven&#8217;t heart any brits pronounce it that way either.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/odf-enters-semantic-web.html#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible to push &quot;semantics&quot; much further than just meta-data.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s the question of what conclusions it should be possible to reach from a collection of facts and rules of inference.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then there&#039;s the question of what those conclusions actually mean in everyday English.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There&#039;s a kind of Wiki for executable English content that combines data, inference, and English meanings.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s at www.reengineeringllc.com , and shared use is free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible to push &#8220;semantics&#8221; much further than just meta-data.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the question of what conclusions it should be possible to reach from a collection of facts and rules of inference.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the question of what those conclusions actually mean in everyday English.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a kind of Wiki for executable English content that combines data, inference, and English meanings.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s at <a href="http://www.reengineeringllc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.reengineeringllc.com</a> , and shared use is free.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/odf-enters-semantic-web.html#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think it&#039;s the Germans (say on the TC) that tend to pronounce it &quot;meeta-ah.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think it&#8217;s the Germans (say on the TC) that tend to pronounce it &#8220;meeta-ah.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/odf-enters-semantic-web.html#comment-1248</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m British and never met anyone who pronounced meta as meet&#039;-ah.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Enjoy your posts immensely. Keep them coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m British and never met anyone who pronounced meta as meet&#8217;-ah.</p>
<p>Enjoy your posts immensely. Keep them coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/odf-enters-semantic-web.html#comment-1247</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Brit, and I&#039;ve never heard anybody pronounce it &quot;meet-ah&quot;.  I pronounce it &quot;met-uh&quot; and so does everybody else as far as I&#039;m aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Brit, and I&#8217;ve never heard anybody pronounce it &#8220;meet-ah&#8221;.  I pronounce it &#8220;met-uh&#8221; and so does everybody else as far as I&#8217;m aware.</p>
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