Comments on: e to the power of hype http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html Thinking the unthinkable, pondering the imponderable, effing the ineffable and scruting the inscrutable Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:51:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Morro de São Paulo – Bahia – Brasil » » Indefinição Marca Fim da Votação do OOXML na ABNT. http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-2539 Morro de São Paulo – Bahia – Brasil » » Indefinição Marca Fim da Votação do OOXML na ABNT. Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:24:51 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-2539 [...] mais padrão melhor, ainda mais se é um padrão já muito usado. Isso é um total equívoco porque praticamente ninguém usa o OOXML ainda por ser extremamente [...] [...] mais padrão melhor, ainda mais se é um padrão já muito usado. Isso é um total equívoco porque praticamente ninguém usa o OOXML ainda por ser extremamente [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1054 Anonymous Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:18:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1054 The comment about academic publishers is, I'm afraid, a bit off the mark yet. It took the American Physical Society (www.aps.org) ages before they started accepting electronic submissions in Word. TeX, of course, was (and is!) vastly preferred. Indeed the APS is an extreme case, but setting up the procedure to handle a new format is, from what I gather from my onlooker's perspective, a major task, and they would never be the first to embrace it.<br/><br/>In fact I do not quite understand how come the publishers have not been much more vocal in favour of a _real_ document standard... The comment about academic publishers is, I’m afraid, a bit off the mark yet. It took the American Physical Society (www.aps.org) ages before they started accepting electronic submissions in Word. TeX, of course, was (and is!) vastly preferred. Indeed the APS is an extreme case, but setting up the procedure to handle a new format is, from what I gather from my onlooker’s perspective, a major task, and they would never be the first to embrace it.

In fact I do not quite understand how come the publishers have not been much more vocal in favour of a _real_ document standard…

]]> By: PolR http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1024 PolR Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:59:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1024 To the anonymous that tracked the source of documents by countries, thanks a lot for this informative research.<br/><br/>I wonder what is the proportion of the ODT documents from France that come from governement agencies. Many ministries have converted to Open Office there. Are we seeing a major governement push that drags the rest of the country? To the anonymous that tracked the source of documents by countries, thanks a lot for this informative research.

I wonder what is the proportion of the ODT documents from France that come from governement agencies. Many ministries have converted to Open Office there. Are we seeing a major governement push that drags the rest of the country?

]]> By: Wesley Parish http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1023 Wesley Parish Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:09:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1023 Update on my "<i>test environment</i>".<br/><br/>I log onto the required Microsoft Live site, and start entering details. <b><i>Minor Detail: I don't live in either the Continental US of A or any of its territories; Major detail: Microsoft is apparently not aware of anywhere else.</i></b><br/><br/>I got my MS Office 2k7 Trial Edition off an Australian computer magazine. I wonder how many Aussies will be fuming at Microsoft now, as a direct result? Out with the footgun, Quick Draw McGraw, them (FAVOURED TERM OF ABUSE) feet are creepin' up on youse!<br/><br/>But then, that seems to be their entire attitude - <b>Not Invented Here</b> writ large. Update on my “test environment“.

I log onto the required Microsoft Live site, and start entering details. Minor Detail: I don’t live in either the Continental US of A or any of its territories; Major detail: Microsoft is apparently not aware of anywhere else.

I got my MS Office 2k7 Trial Edition off an Australian computer magazine. I wonder how many Aussies will be fuming at Microsoft now, as a direct result? Out with the footgun, Quick Draw McGraw, them (FAVOURED TERM OF ABUSE) feet are creepin’ up on youse!

But then, that seems to be their entire attitude – Not Invented Here writ large.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1021 Anonymous Sun, 19 Aug 2007 05:37:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1021 Where are these documents? From what I could see, ODF is very popular in France, and in the smaller countries of northern and central Europe. DOCX is seeing some (very small) use in the USA and Russia, and virtually none anywhere else.<br/><br/>=======================<br/><br/>This is what I find after a quick search (for ODT only):<br/><br/>Total ODT: 94200 (18th of August)<br/><br/><br/>Total that can be attributed to specific countries: 33751<br/>Total in top 20 countries: 32181<br/>Total in other countries examined: 701<br/><br/>Total which could not be attributed to specific countries: 60449<br/><br/>Of the ODT files with known geographic locations, 70% are in Europe (including eastern Europe), 20% are in North America, and 10% are elsewhere (South America, Mexico, Asia, Africa).<br/><br/>For this test, a total of 46 countries were selected for detailed examination. These covered most of the higher income OECD countries, plus the larger lower income countries. The relative rankings should only be taken as a rough guide, as we don't know the actual location of a good many files.<br/><br/><br/>Top 20 countries<br/>Country # of ODT<br/>France 15400<br/>USA 6360<br/>Italy 1050<br/>Denmark 928<br/>Russia 871<br/>Brazil 797<br/>Germany 777<br/>UK 746<br/>Hungary 607<br/>Mexico 591<br/>Poland 565<br/>Netherlands 472<br/>Australia 462<br/>Norway 460<br/>Switzerland 448<br/>Austria 431<br/>Japan 412<br/>Canada 312<br/>Finland 248<br/>Sweden 244<br/><br/><br/>ODF documents per million people in the same top 20 countries.<br/><br/>Country, ODT/million population<br/>France 240.63<br/>Denmark 171.85<br/>Norway 97.87<br/>Hungary 60.7<br/>Switzerland 59.73<br/>Austria 51.93<br/>Finland 47.69<br/>Netherlands 28.61<br/>Sweden 26.81<br/>Australia 22<br/>USA 21.2<br/>Italy 17.8<br/>Poland 14.49<br/>UK 12.43<br/>Germany 9.48<br/>Canada 9.45<br/>Russia 6.09<br/>Mexico 5.47<br/>Brazil 4.28<br/>Japan 3.22<br/><br/><br/>This test was conducted by doing a file type search (filetype:odt) using the localised Google web sites, and asking for results only from that country. The USA doesn't appear to have a localised web site, so the USA results were obtained from <br/>http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/websites/google.com/google-usa.htm<br/>(which says it uses Google to get results). <br/><br/><br/>=======================<br/><br/>DOCX FILES<br/><br/>For docx files, there were a total of 1,060. Of these, 467 could be attributed to a particular country. 154 of the total were from the Microsoft.com domain. If we examine the same countries used in the top 20 list above we get:<br/><br/>Country, # of docx<br/>USA 239<br/>Russia 109<br/>Germany 28<br/>UK 23<br/>Canada 9<br/>Netherlands 8<br/>France 7<br/>Italy 7<br/>Brazil 7<br/>Switzerland 6<br/>Japan 5<br/>Sweden 5<br/>Australia 4<br/>Poland 3<br/>Norway 3<br/>Mexico 2<br/>Denmark 2<br/>Hungary 0<br/>Finland 0<br/>Austria 0<br/><br/>I won't repeat the documents per million list for docx, as the numbers are too small to be meaningful. However, in that ranking Switzerland takes the lead as 6 docx files and a population of 7.5 million gives it a rate of 0.8 documents per million.<br/><br/>Of those docx files for which we can find a country, most are in the USA or Russia, with Germany and the UK well behind with a couple of dozen each and no significant numbers to be found anywhere else.<br/><br/>Of the files which can be found in the USA (239), a large percentage seem to be in Microsoft. It should not be surprising if the developers and sales team account for a large proportion of the users.<br/><br/>The number of files in Russia seemed to require more investigation. Manual examination of a sample of the file locations seems to indicate that many of them are on personal web pages loaded with mp3 files and warez. No doubt the Russian hackers have all the latest of everything. I'm not sure I would want to download anything from those sites for detailed examination though.<br/><br/>=======================<br/><br/>A similar study using 'doc' files is not possible, because Google only gives a very rough estimate of between 2 and 3 million documents per country. No doubt it cuts off the search after a certain point in order to not waste search resources. Where are these documents? From what I could see, ODF is very popular in France, and in the smaller countries of northern and central Europe. DOCX is seeing some (very small) use in the USA and Russia, and virtually none anywhere else.

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This is what I find after a quick search (for ODT only):

Total ODT: 94200 (18th of August)

Total that can be attributed to specific countries: 33751
Total in top 20 countries: 32181
Total in other countries examined: 701

Total which could not be attributed to specific countries: 60449

Of the ODT files with known geographic locations, 70% are in Europe (including eastern Europe), 20% are in North America, and 10% are elsewhere (South America, Mexico, Asia, Africa).

For this test, a total of 46 countries were selected for detailed examination. These covered most of the higher income OECD countries, plus the larger lower income countries. The relative rankings should only be taken as a rough guide, as we don’t know the actual location of a good many files.

Top 20 countries
Country # of ODT
France 15400
USA 6360
Italy 1050
Denmark 928
Russia 871
Brazil 797
Germany 777
UK 746
Hungary 607
Mexico 591
Poland 565
Netherlands 472
Australia 462
Norway 460
Switzerland 448
Austria 431
Japan 412
Canada 312
Finland 248
Sweden 244

ODF documents per million people in the same top 20 countries.

Country, ODT/million population
France 240.63
Denmark 171.85
Norway 97.87
Hungary 60.7
Switzerland 59.73
Austria 51.93
Finland 47.69
Netherlands 28.61
Sweden 26.81
Australia 22
USA 21.2
Italy 17.8
Poland 14.49
UK 12.43
Germany 9.48
Canada 9.45
Russia 6.09
Mexico 5.47
Brazil 4.28
Japan 3.22

This test was conducted by doing a file type search (filetype:odt) using the localised Google web sites, and asking for results only from that country. The USA doesn’t appear to have a localised web site, so the USA results were obtained from
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/websites/google.com/google-usa.htm
(which says it uses Google to get results).

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DOCX FILES

For docx files, there were a total of 1,060. Of these, 467 could be attributed to a particular country. 154 of the total were from the Microsoft.com domain. If we examine the same countries used in the top 20 list above we get:

Country, # of docx
USA 239
Russia 109
Germany 28
UK 23
Canada 9
Netherlands 8
France 7
Italy 7
Brazil 7
Switzerland 6
Japan 5
Sweden 5
Australia 4
Poland 3
Norway 3
Mexico 2
Denmark 2
Hungary 0
Finland 0
Austria 0

I won’t repeat the documents per million list for docx, as the numbers are too small to be meaningful. However, in that ranking Switzerland takes the lead as 6 docx files and a population of 7.5 million gives it a rate of 0.8 documents per million.

Of those docx files for which we can find a country, most are in the USA or Russia, with Germany and the UK well behind with a couple of dozen each and no significant numbers to be found anywhere else.

Of the files which can be found in the USA (239), a large percentage seem to be in Microsoft. It should not be surprising if the developers and sales team account for a large proportion of the users.

The number of files in Russia seemed to require more investigation. Manual examination of a sample of the file locations seems to indicate that many of them are on personal web pages loaded with mp3 files and warez. No doubt the Russian hackers have all the latest of everything. I’m not sure I would want to download anything from those sites for detailed examination though.

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A similar study using ‘doc’ files is not possible, because Google only gives a very rough estimate of between 2 and 3 million documents per country. No doubt it cuts off the search after a certain point in order to not waste search resources.

]]> By: Rob http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1019 Rob Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:23:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1019 Hi Wraith, remember that a begger who finds a penny on the street might double his net worth. But you can't eat a growth rate. <br/><br/>Let's see where this time next year. Any predictions for how many ODF and OOXML documents we'll see? Hi Wraith, remember that a begger who finds a penny on the street might double his net worth. But you can’t eat a growth rate.

Let’s see where this time next year. Any predictions for how many ODF and OOXML documents we’ll see?

]]> By: The Wraith http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1018 The Wraith Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:29:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1018 Reading Bens figures I see a 200% rise for OOXML files in a period when ODF files were only 8% raising in about 3 months. Continuing that schedule OOXML files will be more prevelant on Google in 15 months or so. <br/>Since the effect is partly due to MS producing about a fifth of the growth it is probably oging o be a bit slower and in that case we could asume that OOXML will catch up with ODF in 1,5 to 2 years. Reading Bens figures I see a 200% rise for OOXML files in a period when ODF files were only 8% raising in about 3 months. Continuing that schedule OOXML files will be more prevelant on Google in 15 months or so.
Since the effect is partly due to MS producing about a fifth of the growth it is probably oging o be a bit slower and in that case we could asume that OOXML will catch up with ODF in 1,5 to 2 years.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1016 Anonymous Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:58:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1016 "How to raise political party funds? Announce your switch to OO.org."<br/><br/>It is a joke. It is well known microsoft donates money to parties and uses all means to combat open source policies. It is also known that announcing OO.org switches is mostly a procurement strategy.<br/><br/>Back in 2002 or so German Bundestag announced a switch to Linux (of the Bundestag Pcs) which made great news and received strong grassroot support.<br/><br/>Microsoft lobbying was almost succesful but a public affairs disaster. Parties criticised them. The defense minister had to quit and Microsoft's public affairs company Hunzinger was ridiculed in mainstream press after internal memos got published.<br/><br/>Hunzinger lobbying became mainstream news.<br/><br/>"How to get a dinner appointment with Steve Ballmer? Announce your switch to Linux." “How to raise political party funds? Announce your switch to OO.org.”

It is a joke. It is well known microsoft donates money to parties and uses all means to combat open source policies. It is also known that announcing OO.org switches is mostly a procurement strategy.

Back in 2002 or so German Bundestag announced a switch to Linux (of the Bundestag Pcs) which made great news and received strong grassroot support.

Microsoft lobbying was almost succesful but a public affairs disaster. Parties criticised them. The defense minister had to quit and Microsoft’s public affairs company Hunzinger was ridiculed in mainstream press after internal memos got published.

Hunzinger lobbying became mainstream news.

“How to get a dinner appointment with Steve Ballmer? Announce your switch to Linux.”

]]> By: Gopal http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1015 Gopal Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:30:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1015 In continuation to my prev post, there was a similar brief period of silence on the MSDN blogs after the results of the ISO ballot for fast-track approval. The end result was OOXML got approval for the fast track process overriding all objections.<br/>Will we see an action replay now. In continuation to my prev post, there was a similar brief period of silence on the MSDN blogs after the results of the ISO ballot for fast-track approval. The end result was OOXML got approval for the fast track process overriding all objections.
Will we see an action replay now.

]]> By: Gopal http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1014 Gopal Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:34:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1014 Refer to the recent INCITS vote against OOXML. There seems to be no mention of this on the MSDN blogs. Very Strange or is something brewing behind the scenes.<br/>Meanwhile some movement on ODF with Googlepack offering StarOffice free and Sun(GullFOSS) giving details of the OOXML import filter (there is no export filter) for OpenOffice. Refer to the recent INCITS vote against OOXML. There seems to be no mention of this on the MSDN blogs. Very Strange or is something brewing behind the scenes.
Meanwhile some movement on ODF with Googlepack offering StarOffice free and Sun(GullFOSS) giving details of the OOXML import filter (there is no export filter) for OpenOffice.

]]> By: Wesley Parish http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1013 Wesley Parish Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:21:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1013 FWIW, I got a 60-day trial copy of MS Office and a copy of Novell SLED 10 SP1 on much the same day.<br/><br/>Oh frabjious day!<br/><br/>Microsoft has been running off its mouth about the format converters; I've got a nice little test environment.<br/><br/>Oh, and I've also got a copy of ACME 376!<br/><br/>Time to see if the hype flies, or the fly hypes. ;) FWIW, I got a 60-day trial copy of MS Office and a copy of Novell SLED 10 SP1 on much the same day.

Oh frabjious day!

Microsoft has been running off its mouth about the format converters; I’ve got a nice little test environment.

Oh, and I’ve also got a copy of ACME 376!

Time to see if the hype flies, or the fly hypes. ;)

]]> By: Zaine Ridling http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1012 Zaine Ridling Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:58:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1012 Wow! Great research, Rob. Within academia, no one wants to archive either their data or their documents on MS-OOXML. They're not convinced, period. Wow! Great research, Rob. Within academia, no one wants to archive either their data or their documents on MS-OOXML. They’re not convinced, period.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1011 Anonymous Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:45:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1011 "Same for SUN ;-)"<br/><br/>Not really ;-)<br/><br/>SUN has a completely different business strategy than Apple's. SUN sells to business and are big in servers and support (similar to IBM). SUN believes that good and widely used standards will allow them to compete on a level playing field. Free and Open Source are merely tools to that end.<br/><br/>And that's pretty darn good for a corporation whose purpose is to make money.<br/><br/>As for raising political party funds...heh. I think you may be overestimating by several orders of magnitude the number of people who follow these issues. “Same for SUN ;-)”

Not really ;-)

SUN has a completely different business strategy than Apple’s. SUN sells to business and are big in servers and support (similar to IBM). SUN believes that good and widely used standards will allow them to compete on a level playing field. Free and Open Source are merely tools to that end.

And that’s pretty darn good for a corporation whose purpose is to make money.

As for raising political party funds…heh. I think you may be overestimating by several orders of magnitude the number of people who follow these issues.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1010 Anonymous Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:00:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1010 "Apple is a hardware company that uses software as a selling point"<br/><br/>Same for SUN ;-)<br/><br/>Apple has a full-featured product. More closed and proprietary than Microsoft's peoples PC.<br/><br/>Microsoft competes with Microsoft corporate pirates. The competition with Linux is just a media story but Microsoft waged an ideological war.<br/><br/>For governments and large users of Word ODF is an utmost useful asset. They can announce their switch to OO.org and reduce Word procurement fees. OO.org is a strategic tool and needs more investment. The goal is not to actually take Microsofts market share but the threat of force. Large users of Microsoft Word should invest into OO.org development as a rational procurement strategy. How to raise political party funds? Announce your switch to OO.org.<br/><br/>Sun can finance OO.org with petty cash. You get good press, community support and raise your trademark value. Maybe interesting business opportunities emerge as well.<br/><br/>We need governments which say: Let's invest some 150 Mio$ on OO.org development to make Microsoft nervous. “Apple is a hardware company that uses software as a selling point”

Same for SUN ;-)

Apple has a full-featured product. More closed and proprietary than Microsoft’s peoples PC.

Microsoft competes with Microsoft corporate pirates. The competition with Linux is just a media story but Microsoft waged an ideological war.

For governments and large users of Word ODF is an utmost useful asset. They can announce their switch to OO.org and reduce Word procurement fees. OO.org is a strategic tool and needs more investment. The goal is not to actually take Microsofts market share but the threat of force. Large users of Microsoft Word should invest into OO.org development as a rational procurement strategy. How to raise political party funds? Announce your switch to OO.org.

Sun can finance OO.org with petty cash. You get good press, community support and raise your trademark value. Maybe interesting business opportunities emerge as well.

We need governments which say: Let’s invest some 150 Mio$ on OO.org development to make Microsoft nervous.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1009 Anonymous Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:53:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1009 @vexorian: here's my anonymous take on why Apple is MS's ally in this.<br/><br/>Apple does not see itself as competing with MS, even though both develop proprietary software. Apple is a hardware company that uses software as a selling point. Apple does not desire 90% of the office software market; being able to run the monopoly's office software is a selling point. And besides, Apple primarily sells all-in-one gadgets to individuals. Apple tries (only sometimes successfully) to make up for it's underspec'ed and overpriced hardware with sleek marketing and good design (both hardware and software design). That does not make it a big business seller. MS, on the other hand, makes up for its poor software design with various tricks I'm sure you're familiar with.<br/><br/>That does not make them competitors. Even though it seems like they are, sort of, every Mac sold is one less copy of Windows. Except now that Macs are intel based, that's not completely true either.<br/><br/>So, what Apple wants from MS is interoperability without going to the (unreliable and expensive) lengths of reverse engineering that Linux developers must (e.g. Samba, Kerberos).<br/><br/>MS, on the other hand, may see Apple as a very small (and its largest) competitor. But what MS wants from Apple is somebody to point to and say "See, we're not a monopoly!" @vexorian: here’s my anonymous take on why Apple is MS’s ally in this.

Apple does not see itself as competing with MS, even though both develop proprietary software. Apple is a hardware company that uses software as a selling point. Apple does not desire 90% of the office software market; being able to run the monopoly’s office software is a selling point. And besides, Apple primarily sells all-in-one gadgets to individuals. Apple tries (only sometimes successfully) to make up for it’s underspec’ed and overpriced hardware with sleek marketing and good design (both hardware and software design). That does not make it a big business seller. MS, on the other hand, makes up for its poor software design with various tricks I’m sure you’re familiar with.

That does not make them competitors. Even though it seems like they are, sort of, every Mac sold is one less copy of Windows. Except now that Macs are intel based, that’s not completely true either.

So, what Apple wants from MS is interoperability without going to the (unreliable and expensive) lengths of reverse engineering that Linux developers must (e.g. Samba, Kerberos).

MS, on the other hand, may see Apple as a very small (and its largest) competitor. But what MS wants from Apple is somebody to point to and say “See, we’re not a monopoly!”

]]> By: BobFolkerts http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1008 BobFolkerts Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:00:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1008 A community sites should not end with <i>© 2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.</i> Communities may be hosted or they may have an 'org' with clearly defined rules for control of shared content. I suppose that the rules are at http://www.openxmlcommunity.org/termsofuse.aspx are reasonably clear (Microsoft makes no claim of 'ownership' but they do claim full rights to redistribute, exactly what is 'owned' is never stated. I assume that this wording is supposed to protect Microsoft from law suites over published content while simultaneously allow it to use the content for any use it sees fit.) If one commercial interest controls the copyright, I simply don't understand how this can be considered a community web site. A community sites should not end with © 2007 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Communities may be hosted or they may have an ‘org’ with clearly defined rules for control of shared content. I suppose that the rules are at http://www.openxmlcommunity.org/termsofuse.aspx are reasonably clear (Microsoft makes no claim of ‘ownership’ but they do claim full rights to redistribute, exactly what is ‘owned’ is never stated. I assume that this wording is supposed to protect Microsoft from law suites over published content while simultaneously allow it to use the content for any use it sees fit.) If one commercial interest controls the copyright, I simply don’t understand how this can be considered a community web site.

]]> By: Jesper Lund Stocholm http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1007 Jesper Lund Stocholm Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:16:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1007 How many of the enormous list of journals accept ODF as fileformat? How many of the enormous list of journals accept ODF as fileformat?

]]> By: Vexorian http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1006 Vexorian Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:46:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1006 It is way too clear how apple is MS' biggest ally in this push, why are they doing this?<br/><br/>I am also disappointed of HP, guess will have to find myself another printer developer. It is way too clear how apple is MS’ biggest ally in this push, why are they doing this?

I am also disappointed of HP, guess will have to find myself another printer developer.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1005 Anonymous Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:25:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1005 No, <b>Richard Chapman</b> said...<br/><br/>"You cannot beat a real community."<br/><br/>A blogger recently completed a secret survey. He posted an opinion piece with a title something like this "10 things I'm Tired of Hearing Mac Fanboys Say". About two weeks later he followed with another piece similarly titled except with "Microsoft Fanboys" in the title. Finally he did the same with "Linux Fanboys".<br/><br/>The response from the Mac community numbered about 4. The response from the Microsoft community numbered about 10. The Linux response was about 75. In spite of our small numbers we clobbered the competition. I'm still trying to digest exactly why that is. I have some ideas but they need more time to peculate. No, Richard Chapman said…

“You cannot beat a real community.”

A blogger recently completed a secret survey. He posted an opinion piece with a title something like this “10 things I’m Tired of Hearing Mac Fanboys Say”. About two weeks later he followed with another piece similarly titled except with “Microsoft Fanboys” in the title. Finally he did the same with “Linux Fanboys”.

The response from the Mac community numbered about 4. The response from the Microsoft community numbered about 10. The Linux response was about 75. In spite of our small numbers we clobbered the competition. I’m still trying to digest exactly why that is. I have some ideas but they need more time to peculate.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-power-of-hype.html#comment-1004 Anonymous Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:36:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/e-to-the-power-of-hype.html#comment-1004 The Community site is irrelevant and so are their claim. However, I found the 'Voices for Innovation' quite funny.<br/><br/>The problem with Astroturfing is that you need to compensate each member of your community. You cannot beat a real community. The Community site is irrelevant and so are their claim. However, I found the ‘Voices for Innovation’ quite funny.

The problem with Astroturfing is that you need to compensate each member of your community. You cannot beat a real community.

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