Comments on: Disenfranchisement http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html Thinking the unthinkable, pondering the imponderable, effing the ineffable and scruting the inscrutable Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:51:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rob http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1082 Rob Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:50:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1082 Rick, I'd love to give all the names, dates, etc. I hope to do so soon. But there is a time for getting people out of a burning building, and there is a time for telling the authorities who set the fire. One thing at a time... Rick, I’d love to give all the names, dates, etc. I hope to do so soon. But there is a time for getting people out of a burning building, and there is a time for telling the authorities who set the fire. One thing at a time…

]]> By: Rick Jelliffe http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1079 Rick Jelliffe Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:40:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1079 Would you care to give specifics about even one of your claims? Which countries? Who said what to whom? Would you care to give specifics about even one of your claims? Which countries? Who said what to whom?

]]> By: Rob http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1078 Rob Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:06:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1078 Stefan,<br/><br/>I'm not going to post personal emails to a public list. I just don't do that. <br/><br/>Also, we need to keep in mind that some NB's are very secretive about their proceedings. I could get someone in trouble if I posted their email. <br/><br/>Another aspect of this secrecy is that a number of important countries have already voted Disapproval on OOXML, in some cases weeks ago. But you have not heard their names in the news, and I cannot mention them. But when the news comes out I promise you that it will be impressive.<br/><br/>In any case, the purpose of my note was not to expose the miscreants. That will need to wait for another day. But it is urgent that NB's be aware of these tricks. We've reported some of these to ISO and asked that they send a note to NB's reminding them of the rules. But no luck with that. ISO leadership doesn't seem interested in keeping their own neighborhood clean. Stefan,

I’m not going to post personal emails to a public list. I just don’t do that.

Also, we need to keep in mind that some NB’s are very secretive about their proceedings. I could get someone in trouble if I posted their email.

Another aspect of this secrecy is that a number of important countries have already voted Disapproval on OOXML, in some cases weeks ago. But you have not heard their names in the news, and I cannot mention them. But when the news comes out I promise you that it will be impressive.

In any case, the purpose of my note was not to expose the miscreants. That will need to wait for another day. But it is urgent that NB’s be aware of these tricks. We’ve reported some of these to ISO and asked that they send a note to NB’s reminding them of the rules. But no luck with that. ISO leadership doesn’t seem interested in keeping their own neighborhood clean.

]]> By: Stefan Gustavson http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1077 Stefan Gustavson Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:13:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1077 > What's bad with copy-pasting exact emails?<br/><br/>It sure isn't illegal, but I would still consider it unethical in the general case. This, however, is an exception. If I wanted to call public attention to wrongdoings and actually had a smoking gun to shine a light on, then I would consider it my responsibility, even my duty, to post the evidence in public, without censoring it or holding anything back. > What’s bad with copy-pasting exact emails?

It sure isn’t illegal, but I would still consider it unethical in the general case. This, however, is an exception. If I wanted to call public attention to wrongdoings and actually had a smoking gun to shine a light on, then I would consider it my responsibility, even my duty, to post the evidence in public, without censoring it or holding anything back.

]]> By: Charles Robinson http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1076 Charles Robinson Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:49:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1076 I blogged about this, but I'll post it here too:<br/><br/>A blogger from Sun has a nice run-down of what has happened in various countries: http://blogs.sun.com/sdsouza/entry/standard_needed_for_standards_voting . I blogged about this, but I’ll post it here too:

A blogger from Sun has a nice run-down of what has happened in various countries: http://blogs.sun.com/sdsouza/entry/standard_needed_for_standards_voting .

]]> By: Emilis Dambauskas http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1074 Emilis Dambauskas Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:07:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1074 The public at large needs to know its "heroes" by names.<br/><br/>What's bad with copy-pasting exact emails? The public at large needs to know its “heroes” by names.

What’s bad with copy-pasting exact emails?

]]> By: Luc Bollen http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1072 Luc Bollen Mon, 27 Aug 2007 01:06:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1072 It seems that strange things are happening now in Mexico. I found the following info on a blog (http://forgotten-place.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!F53FD685A00A8A7C!214.entry):<br/>"The email I received included a direct link which opens my email client and puts on the body 'A Favor' which means 'I AGREE' o 'YES'. The recipient for this email was the person in charge of the votes, but this link included CCs to Microsoft emails! ... What!? .... They want to know how many of us voted and what was the vote? Why? Is this illegal? Is this ethic? Why nobody here in Mexico sees this clear illegal and biased tactic to ensure a Mexico vote on YES to the standard?"<br/><br/>I've not been able to double check the info, but it may be worth to keep an eye on what is happening there... It seems that strange things are happening now in Mexico. I found the following info on a blog (http://forgotten-place.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!F53FD685A00A8A7C!214.entry):
“The email I received included a direct link which opens my email client and puts on the body ‘A Favor’ which means ‘I AGREE’ o ‘YES’. The recipient for this email was the person in charge of the votes, but this link included CCs to Microsoft emails! … What!? …. They want to know how many of us voted and what was the vote? Why? Is this illegal? Is this ethic? Why nobody here in Mexico sees this clear illegal and biased tactic to ensure a Mexico vote on YES to the standard?”

I’ve not been able to double check the info, but it may be worth to keep an eye on what is happening there…

]]> By: Chris Ward http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1071 Chris Ward Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:56:00 +0000 http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/08/disenfranchisement.html#comment-1071 It's amazing what you can achieve with a wall of money, if you put your mind to it. Not necessarily desirable, but amazing nonetheless.<br/><br/>I assume that whichever way the vote goes, Microsoft will continue to derive revenue from selling Microsoft Office (ECMA-376). IBM will continue to derive revenue from selling Lotus Notes (ISO-26300). And Google will continue to derive revenue by giving away SUN StarOffice (ISO-26300) as part of their GooglePack.<br/><br/>I think Google is doing best financially, at the moment. I wonder how long it will last.<br/><br/>Cast your votes according to your consciences. Don't take backhanders from any corporation. Do what is best for your constituents, the way you see it. It’s amazing what you can achieve with a wall of money, if you put your mind to it. Not necessarily desirable, but amazing nonetheless.

I assume that whichever way the vote goes, Microsoft will continue to derive revenue from selling Microsoft Office (ECMA-376). IBM will continue to derive revenue from selling Lotus Notes (ISO-26300). And Google will continue to derive revenue by giving away SUN StarOffice (ISO-26300) as part of their GooglePack.

I think Google is doing best financially, at the moment. I wonder how long it will last.

Cast your votes according to your consciences. Don’t take backhanders from any corporation. Do what is best for your constituents, the way you see it.

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