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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/04/first-harvest-of-season.html#comment-3454</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How has your Birch wine making worked out Jesse?</description>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/04/first-harvest-of-season.html#comment-3246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 01:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello- wondering if I can use Hanna&#039;s HI 96801 refractometer for birch sap related activities or if I need a fructose refractometer? I thought the model above (which I ordered and have) measured all sugars in a solution. Now I get it in the mail and it says &quot;for Sucrose Measurements&quot;. 

This is all very exciting, as I just tapped 15 sweet birches today for my first tree tapping venture ever! Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello- wondering if I can use Hanna&#8217;s HI 96801 refractometer for birch sap related activities or if I need a fructose refractometer? I thought the model above (which I ordered and have) measured all sugars in a solution. Now I get it in the mail and it says &#8220;for Sucrose Measurements&#8221;. </p>
<p>This is all very exciting, as I just tapped 15 sweet birches today for my first tree tapping venture ever! Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/04/first-harvest-of-season.html#comment-1264</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob...thks.  Your definitely in the category of &quot;knowing&quot; what your talking  about...thks for the feedback and info.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I understand your reason now, for the l gal.  trials...Have you ever used Gelatine to settle out your wines....? It worked well for my batch.  I bottled 26...after 6 months of sitting and transfers.  Very clear...and I think better than the TANSI, that they have just started marketing around the world from Barkers Narrows Manitoba Canada....Get a bottle, and try it...It is very similiar to my stuff.....&lt;br/&gt;This was my first go...and next year I will be going after rubbard..we have plenty in the garden...we also have plenty of dandilion in the spring...I am glad you saw past my sense of humour...thks.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have opened a bottle this last Sat..night.  It was the last bottle that I filled from the bottom of the carboy...I racked 4 times....man is this some good wine..&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you go to my hot mail address, I have posted a bottle there..for viewing...kentuckyfriedduckguy@hotmail.com&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;take care, please ignore the sp. errors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob&#8230;thks.  Your definitely in the category of &#8220;knowing&#8221; what your talking  about&#8230;thks for the feedback and info.</p>
<p>I understand your reason now, for the l gal.  trials&#8230;Have you ever used Gelatine to settle out your wines&#8230;.? It worked well for my batch.  I bottled 26&#8230;after 6 months of sitting and transfers.  Very clear&#8230;and I think better than the TANSI, that they have just started marketing around the world from Barkers Narrows Manitoba Canada&#8230;.Get a bottle, and try it&#8230;It is very similiar to my stuff&#8230;..<br />This was my first go&#8230;and next year I will be going after rubbard..we have plenty in the garden&#8230;we also have plenty of dandilion in the spring&#8230;I am glad you saw past my sense of humour&#8230;thks.  </p>
<p>I have opened a bottle this last Sat..night.  It was the last bottle that I filled from the bottom of the carboy&#8230;I racked 4 times&#8230;.man is this some good wine..</p>
<p>If you go to my hot mail address, I have posted a bottle there..for <a href="mailto:viewing...kentuckyfriedduckguy@hotmail.com">viewing&#8230;kentuckyfriedduckguy@hotmail.com</a></p>
<p>take care, please ignore the sp. errors.</p>
<p>Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the birch wine, I fermented in a plastic fermentor and than transferred to glass carboy for secondary.  When the yeast eventually settled out I transferred once more, and it has been sitting there for a few months. There wasn&#039;t a lot that fell out, but I didn&#039;t want any off flavors from yeast autolysis, so I thought it safer to rack to another carboy for the longer aging. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For the tomato wine I started with &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/reques14.asp&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; recipe from Jack Keller. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I used 4 lbs of fresh tomatoes from my garden, a mix of heirloom varieties, some red ripe, while some still green.  I cut the tomatoes into chunks, removed the stems but left the skins and seeds.  Since I was not going to do a hard boil of the tomatoes I had to kill any wild yeast or bacteria with crushed Campden tablets.  I then simmered for 30 minutes to help extract more juice (not sure if this is necessary), cooled and pitched the yeast.  I used Lalvin EC-1118 (Champagne) for its neutral flavor contribution and temperature tolerance.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even though I did not boil, it still developed a haze, but this precipitated out after adding finings (isinglass).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This was another 1 gallon experimental batch.  O.G. was 1.082 and final gravity was 0.992, for predicted ABV=11.8%, which was close to my target of 12%.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In any case, I&#039;m convinced that you can make wine of almost any fruit or vegetable.  It just needs to have reasonable sugar content.  All the recipies are basically the same, adding enough fruit / table sugar to make a target gravity of 1.085 or so and then fermenting with a flavor-neutral yeast.  Depending on how acidic the fruit is you may need to add some acid blend.  The only batch that ever totally failed on me was an herbal blend that just would not ferment.  It ended up that one of the herbs had a natural antiseptic quality that was holding the yeast back.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An excellent book I think is Terry Garey&#039;s &quot;The Joy of Home Winemaking&quot; which deals almost entirely with fruit and herbal wines.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So how does your birch wine taste so far?  Have you made any other kinds?   If you are up North, another book to consider is &quot;The Alaskan Bootleggers Bible&quot; by Leon Kania.  There is some good coverage there of wines based on local ingredients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the birch wine, I fermented in a plastic fermentor and than transferred to glass carboy for secondary.  When the yeast eventually settled out I transferred once more, and it has been sitting there for a few months. There wasn&#8217;t a lot that fell out, but I didn&#8217;t want any off flavors from yeast autolysis, so I thought it safer to rack to another carboy for the longer aging. </p>
<p>For the tomato wine I started with <a HREF="http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/reques14.asp" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this</a> recipe from Jack Keller. </p>
<p>I used 4 lbs of fresh tomatoes from my garden, a mix of heirloom varieties, some red ripe, while some still green.  I cut the tomatoes into chunks, removed the stems but left the skins and seeds.  Since I was not going to do a hard boil of the tomatoes I had to kill any wild yeast or bacteria with crushed Campden tablets.  I then simmered for 30 minutes to help extract more juice (not sure if this is necessary), cooled and pitched the yeast.  I used Lalvin EC-1118 (Champagne) for its neutral flavor contribution and temperature tolerance.</p>
<p>Even though I did not boil, it still developed a haze, but this precipitated out after adding finings (isinglass).</p>
<p>This was another 1 gallon experimental batch.  O.G. was 1.082 and final gravity was 0.992, for predicted ABV=11.8%, which was close to my target of 12%.  </p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;m convinced that you can make wine of almost any fruit or vegetable.  It just needs to have reasonable sugar content.  All the recipies are basically the same, adding enough fruit / table sugar to make a target gravity of 1.085 or so and then fermenting with a flavor-neutral yeast.  Depending on how acidic the fruit is you may need to add some acid blend.  The only batch that ever totally failed on me was an herbal blend that just would not ferment.  It ended up that one of the herbs had a natural antiseptic quality that was holding the yeast back.  </p>
<p>An excellent book I think is Terry Garey&#8217;s &#8220;The Joy of Home Winemaking&#8221; which deals almost entirely with fruit and herbal wines.</p>
<p>So how does your birch wine taste so far?  Have you made any other kinds?   If you are up North, another book to consider is &#8220;The Alaskan Bootleggers Bible&#8221; by Leon Kania.  There is some good coverage there of wines based on local ingredients.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/04/first-harvest-of-season.html#comment-1262</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Rob...thks for your reply. Since you haven&#039;t any comments since last Apri. I am sure you do not mind this dialogue.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Can I ask how many times you have transfered the 1.5. gal so far. With the birch you boiled down to.  Can I ask if you started with 6 gallons of tomatoe juice or stock and boiled down the &quot;liquid&quot;&lt;br/&gt;to 1.5 gals to recover the &quot;sugar&quot; content to make your tomatoe wine?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How did your tomatoe wine turn out.? How many lbs did you use?  or did you tap each tomatoe with a spigot and drain into a container? How much tomatoe juice did you recover, or did you use the tomatoe itself, squashed it? or did you use tomatoe right from the can at the market?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Serously, now...how did you do the tomatoe wine?  Where did you get the idea to use birch sap as a wine. Where did you get the birch receipt.?&lt;br/&gt;Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Rob&#8230;thks for your reply. Since you haven&#8217;t any comments since last Apri. I am sure you do not mind this dialogue.</p>
<p>Can I ask how many times you have transfered the 1.5. gal so far. With the birch you boiled down to.  Can I ask if you started with 6 gallons of tomatoe juice or stock and boiled down the &#8220;liquid&#8221;<br />to 1.5 gals to recover the &#8220;sugar&#8221; content to make your tomatoe wine?</p>
<p>How did your tomatoe wine turn out.? How many lbs did you use?  or did you tap each tomatoe with a spigot and drain into a container? How much tomatoe juice did you recover, or did you use the tomatoe itself, squashed it? or did you use tomatoe right from the can at the market?</p>
<p>Serously, now&#8230;how did you do the tomatoe wine?  Where did you get the idea to use birch sap as a wine. Where did you get the birch receipt.?<br />Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could have done that, but I was trying to get a stronger flavor.  My raw sap was not that strong, so some concentration seemed like a good idea.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m aiming for a sweet, desert wine style in the end.  So I want the stronger flavor.  I haven&#039;t bottled yet, but when I get around to it, I&#039;ll first stabilize with potassium sorbate and sweeten to taste.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve never done a birch wine before, so I&#039;m not sure how this will balance out.  But the way you&#039;re doing it sounds reasonable as well.  You&#039;ll probably end up with a drier, more subtle wine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could have done that, but I was trying to get a stronger flavor.  My raw sap was not that strong, so some concentration seemed like a good idea.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m aiming for a sweet, desert wine style in the end.  So I want the stronger flavor.  I haven&#8217;t bottled yet, but when I get around to it, I&#8217;ll first stabilize with potassium sorbate and sweeten to taste.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never done a birch wine before, so I&#8217;m not sure how this will balance out.  But the way you&#8217;re doing it sounds reasonable as well.  You&#8217;ll probably end up with a drier, more subtle wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay...that&#039;s what I thought you did.....so you are only carbo-ing one point five gallons....?  That should only make 4-5 bottles?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Can I ask why you wouldn&#039;t just add natural sugar, say sugar cane, and salvage the whole 5 gallons for the sap wine.?  I did exactly as you have done...except for boiling off 4 gallons of sap...help me understand why you went that direction.&lt;br/&gt;Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay&#8230;that&#8217;s what I thought you did&#8230;..so you are only carbo-ing one point five gallons&#8230;.?  That should only make 4-5 bottles?</p>
<p>Can I ask why you wouldn&#8217;t just add natural sugar, say sugar cane, and salvage the whole 5 gallons for the sap wine.?  I did exactly as you have done&#8230;except for boiling off 4 gallons of sap&#8230;help me understand why you went that direction.<br />Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jim,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I boiled 5 gallons down to 1.5 gallons.  This was based on my original refractometer measurements that showed that the raw sap was only  1.5% sugar.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The risk of course is that I&#039;ve boiled off most of the aromatic compounds.  We&#039;ll see. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p>
<p>I boiled 5 gallons down to 1.5 gallons.  This was based on my original refractometer measurements that showed that the raw sap was only  1.5% sugar.  </p>
<p>The risk of course is that I&#8217;ve boiled off most of the aromatic compounds.  We&#8217;ll see. </p>
<p>-Rob</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, I started my birch sap wine on Apr, 20/07 ..Here in Manitoba Canada...finished Bottling on Oct.29/07.  &lt;br/&gt;I am puzzled on you boiling 6 gallons until you got what..?one gallon?....Everything sounds right except that...Sanitation is everything..please comment..&lt;br/&gt;Jim.&lt;br/&gt;kentuckyfriedduckguy@hotmai.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I started my birch sap wine on Apr, 20/07 ..Here in Manitoba Canada&#8230;finished Bottling on Oct.29/07.  <br />I am puzzled on you boiling 6 gallons until you got what..?one gallon?&#8230;.Everything sounds right except that&#8230;Sanitation is everything..please comment..<br />Jim.<br /><a href="mailto:kentuckyfriedduckguy@hotmai.com">kentuckyfriedduckguy@hotmai.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had wintergreen on hand, I probably would have used it.  But I didn&#039;t have any.  But I do have a hydroponic herb garden in the kitchen, with basil, cilantro, chives, parsley and spearmint.  So I went with the mint.  We&#039;ll see how it goes.  Next to the tomato wine I made last fall this is the oddest thing I&#039;ve ever brewed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for delayed gratification, that is part of it.  The other big part is sanitation.  I&#039;m dealing with gallons of what to microbes must looks like ideal breeding grounds: warm sugar water.  So keeping everything sterile until I introduce the desired yeast strain, ensuring that I get wine, and not vinegar or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had wintergreen on hand, I probably would have used it.  But I didn&#8217;t have any.  But I do have a hydroponic herb garden in the kitchen, with basil, cilantro, chives, parsley and spearmint.  So I went with the mint.  We&#8217;ll see how it goes.  Next to the tomato wine I made last fall this is the oddest thing I&#8217;ve ever brewed.</p>
<p>As for delayed gratification, that is part of it.  The other big part is sanitation.  I&#8217;m dealing with gallons of what to microbes must looks like ideal breeding grounds: warm sugar water.  So keeping everything sterile until I introduce the desired yeast strain, ensuring that I get wine, and not vinegar or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it smelled like wintergreen, why not add wintergreen to it, too?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(Disclaimer:  I know absolutely nothing about wine.)</description>
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<p>(Disclaimer:  I know absolutely nothing about wine.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose one of the primary qualifications for wine making  is the ability to practice delayed gratification.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Richard Chapman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose one of the primary qualifications for wine making  is the ability to practice delayed gratification.</p>
<p>Richard Chapman</p>
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